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  The Wisdom of The Elders

  by minimus in

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  they are touted as real spiritual men.

  the have knowledge, understanding and wisdom.

  you should consult with them before you make important decisions.

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  The fragile determination of intelligent men can rapidly be dashed to shards on the stony-headed foolishness of goons.
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  Baptised 52 years today!

  by Phoebe in

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  january 29th - my baptism date.

  can you remember how you felt at your baptism?.

  i got baptised because my dad kept frightening me.

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  Thank you, Orphan Crow. That certainly was a difficult "experience" to read, and I'm sorry your family went through that. How many times through modern history, in how many tongues across the world, has a similar drama unfolded for good people who only wanted to live a good life, guided by nincompoop "men-of-God" of how many nincompoop denominations?

  Hint: As far as I am concerned, they are ALL nincompoop denominations, ALL of them!

  I knew Howard Zenke, a married Bethelite who was also the "Overseer" of the Sunnyside congregation in Queens, NY. Howard was one of the guys at Bethel who manned the "Service Desk." He was a good man who had served in the US Navy in WW2, and his wife suffered from what I believe is now classified an autoimmune disease. They were a handsome couple back in the 1950s and 60s. Howard was also capable of being a VERY "by the book" guy, which is entirely what one would expect. I know that Howard Zenke made a BIG ISSUE with the Watchtower brass over the failure of 1975. I left the NYC area abut then, and I don't know anything about how things went for them after that. According to Ancestry.com, both Howard and his wife are now dead. I can easily imagine Howard insisting that the elders who DF'd your Mom needed to re-do their work. It is really a pity that the local congregations are given autonomy they cannot handle like adults.
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  Religious experience

  by rolliepollie in

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  have you had a religious experience, such as being saved, that made you beleive in a higher power?

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  please share your experience..

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  I'm curious... if I tell you I can run a mile in 3 minutes although I have never worked out, you'd think I had a screw loose.

  Likewise, if you tell me you've been "saved," without having actually DIED, I'm inclined to think you are exaggerating just a little. Tell me after you know for sure.

  As for my friend Tenacious sentiment that "we all must respect (emphasis mine) each other's decisions, I will paraphrase a Physician who said, "Respect? [As in] “Admire deeply..." Nope. Understand? Yep. Accept? You bet. Part of what makes America a great place is we all get to do whatever dumb ass activity... suits us. But it is impossible to respect a belief that" is irrational.

  To each his own.
  
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  Baptised 52 years today!

  by Phoebe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  january 29th - my baptism date.

  can you remember how you felt at your baptism?.

  i got baptised because my dad kept frightening me.

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  OrphanCrow told us, "I wasn't very old when I figured out that being baptized meant that you could get into deep shit if you screwed up and then that meant that you missed the Paradise train...However, being unbaptized meant that when I stopped going to meetings when I was 13/14, I became a target for any and all JWs that came into my world. By that time, my mom had been disfellowshipped and my dad was fading."

  There is a sadness there, even though I'm happy for you that you were so wise at such a young age. Can I ask... what caused your Dad to fade? Why did your parents give up on the religion for which they once demonstrated such enthusiasm?
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  What Are Your Rights?

  by Simon in

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  rights seem to be everywhere nowadays.

  say hello to someone in the wrong way and you've violated 101 of their human rights.

  people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

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  Hybridous is right!

  If people in general STINK, what makes a person who is a Socialist smell like a rose? ...and I'm not talking about perfume!

  The list of Socialist leaders who were recognized for their humanitarianism is brief; non-existent. Shall we expect the acolytes to outshine the masters?
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  Baptised 52 years today!

  by Phoebe in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  january 29th - my baptism date.

  can you remember how you felt at your baptism?.

  i got baptised because my dad kept frightening me.

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  I also was 14.

  I am also a guy, which means I am genetically incapable of remembering any date that is not my birthday.

  I was an obedient kid and when I was TOLD that it was time for me to give the next billllllion years to Watc-ovah... or wasr that "Mom-hovah"? Anyway, I did what I was told to do.

  In my innermost secret heart-of-my-hearts, I had hoped that there would be some kind of "spiritual experience" associated with baptism, but I was not inclined to hallucinate. ...even NOW, 55 years later! ...I know -- I tried -- nuthin'!

  Thus did Nathan - that's ME - first WITNESS the cold, unblinking, uncaring eye of the cosmos.

  Fortunately for me, oaths and contracts entered into with imaginary beings are UNENFORCEABLE, so I'm off the hook!

  I really do wish I wasn't such a compliant youth, but it would take a panel of psychiatrists to explain how I was conditioned to be a phool.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Called At My Door

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

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  last saturday morning, i answered a knock at my door to see a man standing next to a young boy who handed me a pamphlet posing the question, "how do you view the bible?

  would you say it is (1) a book of human wisdom?

  (2) a book of myths and legends?

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  Are Baal and Molech also aliases for the Artist formerly known as Jehovah? Maybe Satan is too, right?
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  My Letter to President Trump Requesting That IRS Revoke Watchtower's Tax-exempt status

  by Roger Kirkpatrick in

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  january 23, 2019. the honorable donald j. trump,.

  president of the united states;.

  the white house.

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  Roger Kirkpatrick, no harm, no foul.

  As you noticed I have no thought process.

  I hope you didn't pull a muscle doing all that jumping.

  Best to leave plyometrics to the kids and athletes.
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  Is this the most awkward and forced kiss in cinema?

  by LoveUniHateExams in

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  right after rose smashes into finn's speeder, she practically sexually assaults him (#finntoo) .

  besides, i thought finn had the hots for rey.

  as soon as he woke up from his coma at the beginning of the film, he was like: "where da white woman at?

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  LoveUniHateExpressingMyselfClearlyWithCompleteSentencesAndFullyFormedThoughts
  
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  What Are Your Rights?

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  rights seem to be everywhere nowadays.

  say hello to someone in the wrong way and you've violated 101 of their human rights.

  people imagine they have the right to all sorts of things - food, healthcare, housing, internet ... so many things are labelled basic rights and then you get onto their human rights - a favourite of the do-nothing bodies such as the un to declare.

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  GREAT reply Simon!

  Nevuela declared, "EVERYONE has the right to... healthcare...

  My mother DIED because her insurance didn't cover certain life-saving procedures..."

  You have just ruined your argument, Nevuela.

  If EVERYONE has the right to heathcare, and your Mother is part of EVERYONE, she had the right to healthcare.

  But she didn't get healthcare, therefore proving that she had no right to it.